Jim Highsmith-敏捷项目管理-UMLChina讲座-音频和幻灯

时间

2004年8月24日（周二）上午10:00-12:00

演讲人

Jim Highsmith，敏捷联盟的发起人和第一任理事，《敏捷宣言》的执笔人之一，Cutter Consortium的敏捷项目管理咨询主管。他的书《自适应软件开发》2000年获得Jolt奖。

主持人

钱岭

声音记录

网盘下载(71M)：http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=72993&uk=1795750932

UMLChina早期的很多专家讲座是通过越洋电话举行，所以音质和后来的讲座相比稍差。

幻灯片

Agile Project Management: Reliable Innovation，下载：http://umlchina.com/chat/slide/AgilePM_China.ppt

聊天记录

(09:54:34)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:good morning to all.

(09:54:51)yuzhenli与所有人说:Nice to meet you

(09:55:30)J与所有人说:听力不好，有没有高手实时作文字发布亚

(09:56:15)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:钱五哥负责中文文字发布

(09:56:18)wwangzhihang与*JimHighsmith说:good morning

(09:56:35)*goblin_vivi与所有人说:钱五哥是谁？

(09:56:56)richardyan与所有人说:JimHighsmith

(09:59:06)*qlw5与所有人说:hi, Sorry for so late, I am qlw

(09:59:38)richardyan与*qlw5说:You are on time

(09:59:40)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:qlw5：钱五哥

(10:00:03)*xionganping啪啪啪啪啪啪啪……

(10:00:20)*qlw5与所有人说:Good morning, Jim, so long without contact with you.

(10:00:34)jjcao1231与所有人说:yes

(10:00:44)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:ok

(10:01:22)wwangzhihang与所有人说:有声音吗？

(10:01:29)*xionganping与所有人说:有！

(10:01:29)*umlchina2与所有人说:Is the voice OK?

(10:01:37)aaa与所有人说:OK

(10:01:48)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:有。如果声音有问题，重新安装：择手工安装碧聊插件，http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe

(10:02:06)jjcao1231与所有人说:还可以

(10:02:16)wwangzhihang与*umlchina2说:ok了

(10:02:28)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:where can I find the power point

(10:02:47)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm

(10:03:24)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:资料下载地址

(10:05:41)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:如果声音有问题，重新安装：择手工安装碧聊插件，http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe

(10:07:01)*umlchina2与所有人说:如果还没有听到声音，请按右下角的“打开语音”

(10:07:39)*qlw5与所有人说:讲义在这里: http://webseminar3.unix160.cn4e.com/webseminar/AgilePM_China.ppt

(10:08:12)*xiangmeihong与所有人说:现在有声音吗？我听不到

(10:09:00)*qlw5与所有人说:我可以听到声音, 注意不要设置浏览器的代理, 这个语音插件无法通过代理服务器

(10:09:20)*goblin_vivi与*xiangmeihong说:有声音的

(10:09:26)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:如果声音有问题，重新安装：http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe

(10:09:45)*xiangmeihong与所有人说:我在打开语音的时候有一些声音，马上就没有了

(10:10:09)*umlchina2与*xiangmeihong说:重新安装试试看

(10:12:11)*flybean与所有人说:which page?

(10:12:38)*umlchina2与*flybean说:p4

(10:13:01)[*umlchina_seminar]与*qlw5说:五哥随时把要点用中文写一下 )

(10:13:40)*qlw5与所有人说:P4: APM的基本特性

(10:13:44)*flybean与[*umlchina_seminar]说:sorry,later,leaders here :O(

(10:14:15)*qlw5与所有人说:强调的是基于Vision,而不是基于计划的开发模式

(10:14:43)*qlw5与所有人说:P5: 如何形成vision

(10:16:12)*qlw5与所有人说:通过协作, 所有项目成员对项目的目标, 产品的边界, 发布计划都有统一的认识

(10:17:17)*qlw5与ASD说:呵呵, 你好你好

(10:18:45)*qlw5与所有人说:P9: 问题领域不同, 过程也不相同

(10:19:52)*qlw5与所有人说:P10: EF的定义

(10:20:49)*qlw5与所有人说:项目越新,越变化, EF值越大

(10:22:45)*qlw5与所有人说:P12: 僵化的计划, 拒绝变更, 便会带来灾难

(10:23:18)*qlw5与所有人说:P13: 项目控制的几个境界

(10:23:46)*qlw5与所有人说:注意, APM并不是以前的chaos

(10:24:43)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:大家好

(10:25:42)*umlchina2与所有人说:如果有人骚扰讲座，请告诉管理员，谢谢。

(10:26:01)*qlw5与所有人说:P14: 敏捷性定义

(10:26:13)*qlw5与所有人说:P15: 敏捷性宣言

(10:28:40)*qlw5与所有人说:文档不是项目的目标, 产品才是

(10:29:06)*qlw5与所有人说:和客户的协作是关键

(10:29:29)*qlw5与所有人说:P16,P17: APM框架

(10:31:07)*qlw5与所有人说:speculate: 制订灵活的计划

(10:31:33)*qlw5与所有人说:和灵活的目标

(10:32:28)vivian与所有人说:??

(10:32:35)*qlw5与所有人说:Explore: 可以看作是开发

(10:32:53)*qlw5与所有人说:Adapt: 变更

(10:33:17)*qlw5与所有人说:speculate, explore, adapt: 迭代的开发流程

(10:33:23)*umlchina2与所有人说:JimHighsmith：本次讲座专家

(10:34:01)*umlchina2与所有人说:资料下载地址 http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm

(10:35:10)*qlw5与所有人说:P18: APM框架的具体定义

(10:36:06)*qlw5与所有人说:实践和目标的提法是定义这类框架的通用做法

(10:36:36)*qlw5与所有人说:P19: Envision

(10:37:25)*qlw5与所有人说:P20: Product envision

(10:37:57)*qlw5与所有人说:描述产品最终的样子

(10:38:20)lanbaibai与所有人说:jjj

(10:38:25)*qlw5与所有人说:包括客户期望的各种功能需求

(10:39:09)*qlw5与所有人说:例子是: video studio pro

(10:40:11)*qlw5与所有人说:描述自己产品和现有产品的区别也是目标之一

(10:40:57)*qlw5与所有人说:P21: Envision的第二个阶段

(10:41:09)*qlw5与所有人说:项目的scope

(10:42:04)*qlw5与所有人说:P22: 项目数据页的实例

(10:42:20)*qlw5与所有人说:可以看作是计划书

(10:43:08)*qlw5与所有人说:但是这不是详细的计划, 而是对项目的大体安排,特别是scope

(10:43:38)jjcao1231与所有人说:看不到，22页没内容

(10:44:10)*qlw5与所有人说:P22:是一张大图

(10:45:15)*lijinie与所有人说:how to view p22

(10:46:33)*qlw5与所有人说:P23: 项目的协作关系

(10:48:49)*qlw5与所有人说:其中强调的是从客户到开发团队的信息

(10:49:10)jjcao1231与所有人说:we can not find anything in P22.

(10:50:10)*qlw5与所有人说:P24: speculate

(10:50:36)*qlw5与所有人说:P25: 开发模型的比较: 瀑布模型和迭代模型

(10:51:02)*qlw5与所有人说:基于feature的迭代开发

(10:51:22)*eagle_yj与vivian说:hi

(10:51:48)*qlw5与所有人说:注意迭代0与其他迭代的区别

(10:51:51)*eagle_yj与vivian说:no

(10:52:04)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:刚才掉线了 )

(10:52:09)*qlw5与所有人说:P26: Feature Card

(10:52:32)[*umlchina_seminar]与*xionganping说: )

(10:53:01)*qlw5与所有人说:P27

(10:53:34)*qlw5与所有人说:一个小项目的workshop, 每个卡片就描述了一个feature

(10:53:39)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:列表上面一块是什么人？ )

(10:54:13)[*umlchina_seminar]与*xionganping说:列表上面一块？ )

(10:54:39)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:人员在线，好像分两块人？ )

(10:54:54)*qlw5与所有人说:红色卡片应该丝描述了第几次迭代

(10:54:54)[*umlchina_seminar]与*xionganping说:没有啊 )

(10:55:05)[*umlchina_seminar]与*xionganping说:管理员＋普通用户？ )

(10:55:34)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:带*号的都在上面，我也带*号，我怎么在下面？ )

(10:55:39)*qlw5与所有人说:红色卡片下的Feature Card描述了本次迭代需要完成的feature

(10:56:59)*qlw5与所有人说:P29: 团队技术实践

(10:57:20)*xionganping与[*umlchina_seminar]说:，只是好奇，问问？ )

(10:58:31)[*umlchina_seminar]与*xionganping说:应该是系统自动，没有人工排序。可能你登录时间或者首字母x？ )

(11:00:06)*qlw5与所有人说:P30: 两种管理理念

(11:00:39)*qlw5与所有人说:P31: 管理风格

(11:02:46)*qlw5与所有人说:命令-控制型和领导-协作型管理风格

(11:03:48)*qlw5与所有人说:P32: 规则

(11:04:51)*qlw5与所有人说:简单的规则产生复杂的行为, 这是复杂自适应系统的特征之一

(11:05:06)*qlw5与所有人说:P33: 领导-协作型协作

(11:06:36)*qlw5与所有人说:声音质量好像不十分好?

(11:07:00)michael与所有人说:还行

(11:07:18)michael与所有人说:就是有点断续

(11:07:47)*qlw5与所有人说:P35: 自组织, 复杂自适应系统的另外一个特征

(11:08:17)*qlw5与所有人说:关键在于人.

(11:16:04)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:hehe, sorry for absence just now

(11:16:51)yuzhenli与所有人说:The course is very well

(11:19:24)[*umlchina_seminar]与*qlw5说:

(11:19:52)jjcao1231与所有人说:how can we get the image on P22. I'm very interesting.

(11:20:20)[*umlchina_seminar]与jjcao1231说:22页就是一张表格，你那里显示不出来？

(11:21:10)*umlchina2与所有人说:questions please

(11:21:22)*qlw5与所有人说:讲座完了, 大家可以提问

(11:22:16)jjcao1231与所有人说:can not see it, neither

(11:22:25)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:呵呵

(11:22:57)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:现在好像Jim还在说啊

(11:23:26)*eagle_yj与所有人说:i like the princeples of APM, but how can we measure the goodness of process of APM?

(11:23:26)*umlchina2与*qlw5说:回答一个报名表里的问题

(11:23:46)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:OK

(11:28:41)jjcao1231与所有人说:Is there any software(tool) supporting process of APM ?

(11:29:46)*eagle_yj与所有人说:thanks to Jim highsmith for your presentation

(11:29:59)jjcao1231与所有人说:thanks

(11:30:09)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:your wekcome!

(11:30:21)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:Dear Professor, thank you for your nice presentation at first,

(11:30:26)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:Jim, how do you think about the open source in APM?

(11:31:55)ASD与所有人说:how do you compare your ASD book and APM book?

(11:32:01)ASD与所有人说:thanks

(11:32:23)[*umlchina_seminar]与*JimHighsmith说:how do you think about Rally Software Development（http://www.rallydevelopment.com） Rally Release 1

(11:32:30)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:In large companies, like Lucent, we use product-line process, which is a very complex process, we

(11:32:58)*qlw5与[*umlchina_seminar]说:follow ISO9000 and CMM, do you think APM can help us? in what kind of aspect?

(11:36:24)jjcao1231与所有人说:Can we stride over unified process? We are small company, but our manager like RUP2000.

(11:36:46)jjcao1231与所有人说:He believe XP is not suitable to Chinese. HOw do you think?

(11:38:41)jjcao1231与所有人说:the network is too bad

(11:38:55)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:And My question is, in Agile method, developers are very important,

(11:39:26)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:then how do you think some kinds of methods/tools which are trying to put the developers

(11:39:38)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:developers to the less important side, such as MDA, and IBM's eclipse these days?

(11:41:04)aaa与所有人说:在APM，对软件开发公司的领导有什么要求，是专业型还是管理型。

(11:43:18)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:明天这个时候还有讲座，欢迎大家再来啊

(11:43:35)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:thank you for your answer:)

(11:43:48)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:From aaa, in APM

(11:44:54)*qlw5与所有人说:From aaa, in APM, what is the requirement for the leaders? should he be a technical expert or has

(11:45:00)*qlw5与所有人说:management background?

(11:45:26)ASD与所有人说:a very casual question:how do you balance your work and life?

(11:45:29)ASD与所有人说:any suggestions to Chinese developers;)

(11:45:45)ASD与所有人说:you know,China and USA is very different.

(11:46:39)*qlw5与所有人说:Jim, there are still many agile methods in the Industry, do you think finally there will only be

(11:46:48)*qlw5与所有人说:one standard "agile method"

(11:47:20)ASD与所有人说:a friend of mine is thinking about departing her husband.hehe.because of his hardwork.

(11:48:10)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:balancing home and work is very important.

(11:48:23)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:balancing home and work is very important.

(11:48:53)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:I'm a little older, 58 years, so I've had to learn that balance over time.

(11:49:06)yuzhenli与所有人说:Like European, Enjoying life is most important.

(11:49:22)ASD与所有人说:sorry for such a casual question.:(

(11:49:33)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:Yes, I love to hike, ski, mountain bike.

(11:49:52)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:No, it's a very important question.

(11:50:10)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:agile development stresses sustainable development.

(11:50:31)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:not working so many hours that everything else suffers.

(11:51:09)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:Thank you all for your participation. I have enjoyed the session.

(11:51:26)*qlw5与所有人说:The more hours you work, the less effcience you get, I think

(11:51:26)yuzhenli与所有人说:How to orgnize the team is an art.

(11:51:26)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:Maybe one day I will come to China in person!

(11:51:30)ASD与所有人说:thanks.

(11:51:39)ASD与所有人说:really?

(11:51:41)ASD与所有人说:welcomed!

(11:51:53)*qlw5与所有人说:Jim, welcome to China

(11:51:55)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:yes, the art of project management.

(11:52:08)yuzhenli与所有人说:Welcome

(11:53:02)yuzhenli与所有人说:Could you give me your email, JimHighsmith?

(11:53:44)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:jim@jimhighsmith.com

(11:54:05)yuzhenli与所有人说:Thanks,you are welcome.

(11:55:04)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:Do you watch the olympic matches these days?

(11:55:19)ASD与所有人说:yes

(11:56:10)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:what sports do you like best? :)

(11:56:48)ASD与所有人说:mountain hike is very popular in US.

(11:57:24)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:that's very nice!

(11:58:12)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:And thank you very much for these two hours

(11:58:41)[*umlchina_seminar]与*JimHighsmith说:Thank you for the excellent presentation

(11:58:47)*JimHighsmith与所有人说:Thanks and I will close now.

(11:59:00)edge与所有人说:thanks

(11:59:06)*qlw5与所有人说:Thanks

(11:59:13)[*umlchina_seminar]与*JimHighsmith说:谢谢专家

(11:59:54)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:（明天这时还有讲座，大家记得来啊）

(12:00:01)陈先雄与所有人说:好

(12:00:01)*umlchina2与*JimHighsmith说:Good night and take care,thank you again